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May 26, 2023Liked by The Grand Seiko Guy

The crystal on the 6186 8000 short hands should be blacking out on side view ?

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Yup - a sure sign that it’s not the original crystal. It’s not even the correct profile. Perhaps I should send Grand Seiko a few of my sapphire crystals that have the exact same profile as the original Hardlex ones 😜

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founding

As we learn here, that version is not rare relative to the other VFA’s. But it must have the correct crystal when you go to sell. A 5k mistake I made a few months ago

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Thank you for the great article per usual! Love getting these emails every week

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founding

I asked this before to no avail, but is the Toshiba AD dial correct and original? Got the impression they should only be 5722 dials. Still waiting for that 57gs primer!

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Apologies if I missed it! Yes - 43999 AD dial can be correct for a 1965 Toshiba. 57GS primer is still a way off, sorry!

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How about for May 1965? That’s the example on offer elsewhere. Thought May was a bit late for AD dials. If it’s legit I’d go and buy it now haha. Thanks!

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May 1965 is absolutely fine for a 43999 AD dial (I’ve seen multiple examples as late as August 1965). For the non-Toshibas expect a 5722-9990 caseback and a 5722A movement.

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Right so they actually made AD dials much later for Toshiba than for regular production? The regular production flipped to the 5722-9990 dial around when? I have a feeling the 57gs primer is gonna be a blast!

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No sorry - apologies if I wasn't clear. So far I've got details of 54 of the 57GS from May-August 1965. Of those, four have the 43999 AD dial. Of those four, two are Toshibas from May 1965, one with a 43999 AD dial, and the other with the 5722-9990. It's entirely possible that the one you're looking at is the one I have a note of! Does it have a service mark on the inside caseback "59.2.20 OHN"?

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May 27, 2023Liked by The Grand Seiko Guy

Sorry one more if I could nitpick, what do you mean of 4 with an AD dial, of which one had a 5722-9990 dial haha 😂

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Oops! Conflated thoughts there :) 2 Toshibas from May - one with a 5772, and the other a 43999 dial.

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May 27, 2023Liked by The Grand Seiko Guy

No it doesn’t let me send u on IG the photo

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Cool. Another one for the database then! 🤣

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